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Lol Rap

Posted by 36Holla - August 25th, 2009


Yeah so if my username didn't tip you off, I like rap, and hip hop music. I know most people here hate those genres for one reason or another. Might have something to do with a natural fear/aversion to black people because of negative stereotypes, thinking that there is no skill involved, or the worst excuse yet which is that ALL rap/hip hop is about money, cars, degrading women, and drugs. Just one thing I want to say about that is that mainstream rap/hip hop focuses on that stuff and is not quality music. There are many talented underground artists who have intelligent messages in their music but they don't get exposure because those messages are not what makes money with radio and record companies. What I'm trying to get at here is that I think that if people are exposed to the right group of artists, then the appreciation for the genres would grow.

So here's my rap/hip hop starter kit for those who are willing to give it a chance.

Nujabes - Think Different (Song about the difference between hip hop and mainstream rap) and Lady Brown (Song about the appreciation of a woman)

And right off the bat my goal is to get those pre-conceived notions of violence/degradation of women out the window.

Jedi Mind Tricks - Uncommon Valor (Anti-Vietnam rap song. Flow in it is so smooth that it's insane how they're able to fit so many words in such a short space.)

Eminem - Beautiful. (A song about taking on other people's point of view and realizing where others who are different than us are coming from.)

CunninLynguists - Brain Cell (Song about making general intelligent decisions such as valuing education, and not getting caught up with drugs. Basically telling you to use your brain cells or you'll end up in a prison cell.)

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Update: 2nd Music Set

Five Deez - Late October (Quick shoutout for them. Great group, and this song in particular is one of their best.)

Cyne - Paradise (I recommend checking out Cyne beyond this song because almost all of their stuff is solid. What I got out of this was them talking about how making music should be about the message and not about money. Definitely check out their other stuff.)

Common - The People (Song that highlights how people band together for support in their communities, and turning negative situations into positive ones. Common is a mainstay in this category of good hip hop/rap and I highly recommend checking out his other stuff)

Dead Prez - Hip Hop (Some might recognize this as Dave Chappelles back ground music for his show, and besides that, this song is really good. You might have to actually look at the lyrics to understand why: Lyrics The song's a reflection on the genre of hip hop and what it has somewhat become with moving into the mainstream. The genre's new focus on materialism is a target in the song as well as artists who are talking about their money more than a good message.)

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Update: 3rd Music Set

Jay Z - My 1st Song (Jay Z was mentioned to me before and it's not a bad idea to start off with him. The message of My 1st Song, which should be very apparent when you hear the voice of Biggie Smalls in the intro, is that when you're in the creative process of making a song, you should put as much enthusiasm and effort into it as you did when you first started out and the process was new and exciting. It's a message to not get lazy and cut corners. This message can not only be applied to making music though. It can be applied to almost any type of creative task or job making the message more mearningful.)

Atmosphere - Guarantees (I came across this song recently and it led me to explore Atmosphere more. It's a song talking about one particular person who fell off the 'normal path' and the problems they're faced with. This is a song that can be highly interpretable but what I kept coming back to was the line "I should have schooled it up when I was younger, should have stuck to the plan." It seemed to me that the problems being talked about stemmed from this decision to drop out of school. The other, and perhaps more obvious message I got out of it was that you don't know where life is going to take you, but the only thing that is for certain is it will end eventually. Lyrics)

Talib Kweli & Hi Tek - Good Mourning (Talib Kweli is a cornerstone of underground hip hop and has done a ton of songs with Hi Tek. There are a few messages in this song, including the remembrance of other Brooklyn MCs such as Big L. I also got the message that you shouldn't live for yourself or be doing things that can get you in a dangerous situation because the pain you felt is likely to follow those who you left behind such as your family and friends.)

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Update: 4th Music Set

Lupe Fiasco - American Terrorist and Conflict Diamonds (Here's a double dose of Lupe as it was pointed out by TehreTard that this list lacked one of the best current rappers in the music industry. First song is a general overview of various problems present in American society such as closing schools with little care, the rich not contributing to helping the poor, and using religion as a justification for war. The title alone flips the perspective on American's as terrorists which is a thought that most American's of course don't want to have seeing as we've tried to establish ourselves as one of those 'good' countries out for the cause of peace. Conflict Diamonds uses the Kanye West background music for Diamonds are Forever, and is another take on the situation of people in Africa who mine diamonds and how rappers such as Lupe feel when they found out that they're helping fund African militias that endorse slavery, and don't give the same civil rights that everyone should have.)

Tupac - Keep Your Head Up (No it's not Changes. That's a good song, but Tupac had other great songs and we're going to focus on something that not everyone might know about. This is a song focusing on treating women right and it's his message to women in bad or hard situations to find some source of strength so that they can get through it. Very inspiring coming from Tupac and if you haven't seen some of his other stuff, look at his other songs like Never Call You Bitch Again, Young N***as and Living to Die. That last one especially with Biggie in it makes me realize how important he and Tupac were to the industry. Speaking of Biggie...)

The Notorious B.I.G - Juicy (You can't mention Tupac without talking about his East Coast counterpart. I'm not as familiar with Biggie than Tupac, but I do understand the impact he had on the genre. I found Juicy to be a good example of a rags to riches rap, but it focuses on how Biggie defied people's expectations to become successful even though people thought he wouldn't be, and not so much on the material aspect of being successful.)

De La Soul - Me Myself And I (Ending this update, I decided to go in a different direction. This was one of De La Soul's most popular songs and even so it might take more than one listen to get the meaning of the song. Watching the music video, the concept of a rap class in a school setting is seen. The portrayal of a class with the members of DLS being the only different ones and being given a hard time was their way of saying that they were trying to go in a different direction than the rest of the rap and hip hop genre which was gravitating towards more violent messages with the emergence of gangster rap. They wanted rap to contain more peaceful messages and as such they were labeled as hippies of the rap industry. Their peace message didn't actually come from being apart of the hippy movement as much as it was coming from the simple desire of the group that the music genres should focus on inspiring the audience with positive messages in their songs.)

That's all for now. Ask questions, expand on the music shown here, etc.


Comments

I like Australian hip-hop.
MY TURN!
Hilltop Hoods- Chase that feeling: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq8PyyMbrYQ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq8Pyy MbrYQ</a>

Drapht- Falling: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPPiw5ri4_I">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPPiw5 ri4_I</a>

Bliss N Eso- The Sea Is Rising: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmYz-RE9YmA">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmYz-R E9YmA</a>

Phrase- Clockwork: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJz6GPvyf4I">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJz6GP vyf4I</a>

I'm not hugely into rap or hip hop, but I'm glad I've dabbled here and there amongst sifting through other genres.

Awesome. I'll check this stuff out in a bit. Gonna go and get my copy of Batman: Arkham Asylum now though.

Also, the Jedi Mind Tricks song reminded me of a hip hop cover of an Australian anti-Vietnam song called "I was only nineteen".
Cover by The Herd: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns82tHhJOr0">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns82tH hJOr0</a>

Try to justify it as much as your can, rap sucks and always will.

Haha, c'mon man, you gotta come in with something better than that. I mean you don't even give a good reason for why you don't like it. If you don't like it then that's your opinion on it, which is fine, but if you can't even give a reason then your argument is shot down from the get go.

I'm always up for a good debate.
It's made by the talentless to produce the illusion of talent.
How much skill does it require? The only hard part would be making something rhyme, in which case, a rhyme dictionary is always present.
You use a synthesizer for pretty much everything, and as far as vocals go, speaking isn't hard to do.

There goes your argument against it not requiring any skill.
Also, Kanye West is a condescending prick.

I'm wondering what rap/hip hop artists you've listened to to come to that conclusion. In it's more basic form, rap is poetry, as it uses measures, and poetry elements such as metaphors, similies, symbolism, hyperbole, etc. and both are spoken to a rhythm. Saying it's made by talentless people is by extension calling poets in general talentless which I think you'll find most people disagree with.

It also goes beyond just rhyming words. You have to match lyrical flow to the song beat, and tell a story at the same time. At times it is impossible to match certain words up with a specific situation using a rhyme book. If you're thinking of a general rhyme word like cat and bat then yeah you'll obviously get a result like that but there's way more complexity to it. To settle my own curiosity on it I used one of the songs in my first post (Beautiful by Eminem) and opened up an online rhyme dictionary. I went through the song and noted the words used to rhyme with each other to see if the rhyme dictionary matched them up as well. I found multiple cases where the rhymed words in the song weren't matched in the rhyme dictionary meaning he's using his own material and not a crutch. You'll find this with other artists as well.

As for synthesizing, beat makers put in a lot of work to make the BG music and the artists often have a lot of input on what the beat sounds like to help them get a feel for the flow of the song. In some cases, the rappers even make the beats themselves. Now you imply that because instruments are not being played by the artist that it lessens the talent needed to perform the song. Something to realize is that just like rock bands practice to get better at playing instruments, rappers practice their flow to get better at doing their songs. A rocker couldn't do what a rapper does as well as a rapper, and vice versa with a rapper doing what a rocker does. The reason why is because both things require a ton of practice to get good at and each genre is different and requires different training. Calling rap talentless because it rarely uses instruments is like saying metal is a talentless genre because all they do is scream into a mic. Each has their own areas where a lot of skill is required to be good at it.

And Kanye has a big head, but he makes some damn good music.

zeep zork

Don't be a stranger, stranger.

Calling a rapper a poet is like sticking fingers up your butt and saying you're a chicken.
If you think that poems about shooting n***az and gang banging and hos are great and talented stuff, then I'm sure you're a man of amazing culture.

I do recall sampling some rap against my will in my car, I recall the rapper in question saying something along the lines of liking chips and being a pimp?
Yes, I believe those were his words.
Notice how you wont find that in a rhyming dictionary either.
Making it up does not, by any means, make it good.

A synthesis machine is by far one of the easiest instruments (I use that term loosely) to use.
Put enough monkeys in a room with it and they'll produce Ode to Joy.
Or another new Kanye West album.
Did you know that most "big time" rappers actually have professional writers white their songs?

The content itself doesn't dictate what is and isn't poetry because again it's using poetic elements. Just because you don't like the message, doesn't change that. And in the first paragraph of my original post, I wrote a bit about the difference between mainstream rap which is the type of stuff that you're giving as examples and rap that has positive messages. It's like you don't want to admit that it's out there, but it is. What I see in your argument on the content in the lyrics is generalizations of the rap/hip hop genres based on what is presented in the mainstream media, which again I emphasize is shitty rap music. Stepping outside the mainstream is where you'll find the most quality.

Rhyming dictionary part...the quality of the lyrics is based on opinion and you can't judge a whole genre based on one line you remember from a rap. Said rapper may not be good, but that doesn't mean the others are all automatically bad. As long as you know that those dictionaries are rarely, if ever, used, mission accomplished.

"A synthesis machine is by far one of the easiest instruments (I use that term loosely) to use."

You'd be surprised at how complex the beats created can get. It's not as simple as making one loop in most cases. Sampling and turntable techniques are also added in if needed.

"Did you know that most "big time" rappers actually have professional writers white their songs?"

That's a very broad statement. Can you prove that it's over 50%? I'm not denying that quite a few performers in the rap industry don't write their own material, but this can also be said for many rock bands, and bands from almost every other type of genre. You can't single out rap for doing it if every other genre has this issue as well.

I Wish by Skee-Lo

^ only rap song I like, check it out. It's a cross between proper oldskool hip-hop and rap. :)

Classified - Like It's Criminal

ok i have a question in 2 parts: 1) do you will return on september 10th?
2) do you like poutine?
3) do you want to get rick rolled AGAIN by me ans sniper?

1. No
2. It's ok
3. Maybe another time.

hi new mod. now u can suck my dick to complete your initiation to become a real NG mod.

I love rap, mainly the non-mainstream like Jedi Mind Tricks (I think) and Immortal Technique. They're gruesome in their lyrics, but I like how they deliver their word.
Listen to this when you get some free time
<a href="http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=3914838">http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fus eaction=vids.individual&videoid=3 914838</a>

Lol Stereotypes. I feel the same way, just because something is mainstream doesn't mean the whole genre is that way. Jedi Mind Tricks, they are great. I've always liked them, just never listened to them much.

Eminem, guy is great no one can deny that. With the whole Relapse he did good, however with Beautiful, he put in words about how he feels to be a superstar to say the least. I've always liked Em, he's one of the reasons I listen to rap.

Also, I listen to mainstream rap and some indie rap. If you want to listen to good stuff, most of the time the indie people do good.

It's always good to see a similar opinion about rap like this.

Thanks for the support. I still have yet to fully explore JMT and the Relapse album but I'm slowly working on it in my free time.

lol i bet you like soulja boy too? i must admit though, eminem is THE SHIT.

Soulja Boy hasn't made anything of substance. He's an example of a mainstream artist who gets exposure for making songs that talk about sex, are catchy, and can be played in a club setting. That about sums him up. :l

tbh, i am a fan of some mainstream rap (Eminem, Kanye West, Jay-Z, Common, Pitbull..ect) but i must admit, soulja boy does suck (almost as hard as lil wayne). and of course i was joking when i stated you liked soulja boy because, well, nobody does.

The mainstream rappers you listed all have some merit to them, which is why I've put some of them on this list. Jay Z isn't a bad choice either and I know a few songs of his that I might consider for when I update this again.

I actually just started listening to real rap, when before all I heard was that shitty mainstream poop.

Ive actually grown to like the genre.

What artists and groups are you listening to that got you more into it?

tl;dr

tl;dr

BAT TA TA BAT TA TA SEX ME SO GOOD I SAY BLAH BLAH BLAH

IS IT WORTH IT LET ME WORK IT I PUT MY THING DOWN FLIP IT AND REVERSE IT.

Sup dickneck.

<a href="http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/a175853/kanye-west-and-soulja-boy-to-collaborate.html">http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/a17 5853/kanye-west-and-soulja-boy-to-col laborate.html</a>

Ouch.

I've been more open to rap these days, check out MF DOOM if you haven't. But to be honest I have a soft spot for that classic 90's Gangsta shit. N.W.A. were some cool bros.

I used to be really into that style of rap, but I started growing off of it a year ago. It just doesn't feel the same anymore.

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